Small Car makers exempt from 2035 ICE ban
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Will there still be any OEMs making engines for them to use though?
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Nothing to stop Ariel putting in a huge order with Honda and stashing them away? Twisted did the same thing when the Land Rover Defender went EOL… bought 200 of them and stuck them away - now making a fortune selling ‘new’ modified ‘old’ Defenders.
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Never mind engine supply - will there be anywhere to buy fuel, antifreeze or lubricants?
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Yes. There will be plenty of classic cars still being used.autobackup wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:00 pm Never mind engine supply - will there be anywhere to buy fuel, antifreeze or lubricants?
Come 2035 ICE cars won’t stop existing.
This is great news.
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The overt intention by government is that the garage/fuel station network nationwide will rapidly shrink to only a few specialist suppliers here and there.
Also there will likely be huge fuel cost rises as the lack of any 'economy of scale' will ensure that the cost of refining small quantities of fuel will likely go through the roof!
There will also likely to be a mass culling of fuel resellers - outside urban areas most will probably have to travel considerable distances to obtain fuel - maybe 50 miles or more - from a niche specialist fuel retailer?
I personally suspect that, probably within 15 years or so, fuel for ICE engined vehicles (possibly excluding hydrogen) will be very difficult to source!
The overt intention by government is that the garage/fuel station network nationwide will rapidly shrink to only a few specialist suppliers here and there.
Also there will likely be huge fuel cost rises as the lack of any 'economy of scale' will ensure that the cost of refining small quantities of fuel will likely go through the roof!
There will also likely to be a mass culling of fuel resellers - outside urban areas most will probably have to travel considerable distances to obtain fuel - maybe 50 miles or more - from a niche specialist fuel retailer?
I personally suspect that, probably within 15 years or so, fuel for ICE engined vehicles (possibly excluding hydrogen) will be very difficult to source!
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I agree, it will get harder, but petrol powdered car will be running past 2050, we will be still able to get the fuels, etc required.
Someone on low income, who has no love for cars will want to run a vehicle as cheap as possible, replacing batteries after 8-10 years is not viable for them, an old Fiesta is. Roadside charging is not there, people who live in flats, charging is not there. We are going to have to make great advances before petrol will be fazed out.
If Bio fuels are embraced then we might get supplies in different ways.
Electric powered cars are the future, but not the only option.
I am not anti electric cars, they are great in many ways.
We will see. We are lucky to be having this discussion about our ‘Fun’ cars.
Someone on low income, who has no love for cars will want to run a vehicle as cheap as possible, replacing batteries after 8-10 years is not viable for them, an old Fiesta is. Roadside charging is not there, people who live in flats, charging is not there. We are going to have to make great advances before petrol will be fazed out.
If Bio fuels are embraced then we might get supplies in different ways.
Electric powered cars are the future, but not the only option.
I am not anti electric cars, they are great in many ways.
We will see. We are lucky to be having this discussion about our ‘Fun’ cars.
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Well all I can say is that I admire your optimism!
I think that by 2050 (sic!) both battery efficiency and relative associated production costs will be considerably lower and saving on normal ICE engined vehicle service costs over the car's life versus the expected battery life will mostly offset the battery replacement cost.
One question - with what will inevitably be, as the years pass, coupled with what will be a rapidly reducing customer base what will be the incentive for most of the oil producers to continue refining crude to produce the higher fractions of fuel?
I think that by 2050 (sic!) both battery efficiency and relative associated production costs will be considerably lower and saving on normal ICE engined vehicle service costs over the car's life versus the expected battery life will mostly offset the battery replacement cost.
One question - with what will inevitably be, as the years pass, coupled with what will be a rapidly reducing customer base what will be the incentive for most of the oil producers to continue refining crude to produce the higher fractions of fuel?
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Special oil free racing fuel now costs 15 euros per litre, I certainly dont think prices of fuell will go through the roof at all. Demand will sink and price will sink with it.
Remember that it is only europe for now and believe me there are a lot of european countrys which do not buy electric cars AT ALL. And when we start dumping our cars for elevtric vehicels en masse, they will buy those and drive those for tens of years to come.
IF, and thats not the case almost garantueed, prices will explode and it will be only for petrolheads, there will automatically be more demand for bio fuells (with high octane, jay) and those prices will drop significantly and replace regular pump fuell.
This exempt is nothing but good news that I can buy and drive untill I’m too old for this sh#t. Even if petrol costs 5 pounds a litre, who really cares as long as we can drive our hobby miles
Remember that it is only europe for now and believe me there are a lot of european countrys which do not buy electric cars AT ALL. And when we start dumping our cars for elevtric vehicels en masse, they will buy those and drive those for tens of years to come.
IF, and thats not the case almost garantueed, prices will explode and it will be only for petrolheads, there will automatically be more demand for bio fuells (with high octane, jay) and those prices will drop significantly and replace regular pump fuell.
This exempt is nothing but good news that I can buy and drive untill I’m too old for this sh#t. Even if petrol costs 5 pounds a litre, who really cares as long as we can drive our hobby miles
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Interesting article in Evo about synthetic fuels - they seem to think there is a future in them and their use to support a shift from fossil fuels. https://www.evo.co.uk/fuels/205634/synt ... o-the-test
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