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Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by The JD » Mon May 17, 2010 9:58 pm

And finally a little run on Emeralds rolling road, thats 95mph in 4 not 5th
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Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by The JD » Mon May 17, 2010 9:56 pm

No? OK try again:
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Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by The JD » Mon May 17, 2010 9:54 pm

Intercooler was a modded skyline item.

Oh but what about an air filter.... can you see it?
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Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by The JD » Mon May 17, 2010 9:52 pm

Too hot! Need intercooler if only the factory had realised ;)
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Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by The JD » Mon May 17, 2010 9:49 pm

Looks worse with the grinds showing on the gas pipe, lets try some paint :)
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Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by The JD » Mon May 17, 2010 9:45 pm

Wow now I know how to upload pics!!!

Hmmm whats next, ooo urm my dodgy homemade exh manifold for the turbo to squeeze between block and tank
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Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by The JD » Mon May 17, 2010 9:43 pm

Gosh lets try some pics:

Pic 1 VVC with TBs, with exhaust clearance.... just!
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Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by Bruce Fielding » Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:40 pm

Backbox... There's one for sale on ebay...

Search for janspeed on this forum...

Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by The JD » Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:48 pm

Thought I should update the thread. Having replaced the HG I had a few good miles with the addition of an intercooler to keep intake temps down to 20deg from 60, but couldnt get the fueling right so decided to book an RR session. Sadley on the way to the rr the cam tensioner bolt snapped (later 160vvc models have M8 not M6 on the oem turbo) which dinked all the valves :(

What to do?? Well I had a spare 160vvc engine under the bench and decided to rob the head complete with VVC gubbins!! All worked first time :) which was nice, I can now safely say i have more power than I will ever need, the trick will be keeping it all together. Waiting for an opening for rolling road as I still cant get the transitional fuelling right.

Need to make up a back box, currently running a straight through pipe (turbine is a good silenser) to get through track noise limits and then we will see what £600 and a few weekends (actually quite a few) can do!

Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by benyeats » Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:46 am

[quote="wisp"]
[quote="The JD"]
150bhp indeed for the R75, whereas the MG-ZT is rated 160. Not sure where the difference is..
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Doesn't a change in head and ECU give more than that? I know the other NZ Atom1 was 180 prior to the motor being swapped for a Honda engine.
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Head and throttle bodies would probably give around 180.  180 is about the max I would be happy to take a k-series to and expect it to remain reliable

Ben

Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by wisp » Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:44 am

[quote="The JD"]
150bhp indeed for the R75, whereas the MG-ZT is rated 160. Not sure where the difference is..
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Doesn't a change in head and ECU give more than that? I know the other NZ Atom1 was 180 prior to the motor being swapped for a Honda engine.

Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by The JD » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:38 pm

150bhp indeed for the R75, whereas the MG-ZT is rated 160. Not sure where the difference is.. with the demise of Rover and the turbo-K being scarce theres little data available. What I do know is the K-Turbo does produce 200lb/ft v 100lb/ft for NA (normally aspirated). Ive noted the TB is the smaller variety but with forced induction it just doesnt matter, I mean the head and valves are stock 1.8L items, no way near VVC/Trophy160 sizes.

Theroy sais (general chatter) you can have as much power (torque) as you wont as long as the engine holds! So, boost, well I tightened the actuator fractionally to take out any wear (+60k donor engine) and with zero PWM (max positive feed back from pressurised induction) was seeing 10-12psi on Emerald logs from the MAP sensor.

So I created 2 additional maps (Emerald has 3 you can switch on the fly from the dash) with 40% PWM bleed signal at 4000rpm map1 and 80% PWM bleed signal map3. Having scared the daylight out of me on map1 ~10psi I briefly tried map2 and decided that I could push the pedal down more than a 3rd! Just to wild.

So yesterday I went for a spin with Dawsey (holding laptop to datalog) and after 2 miles the engine exploded oil and water mixed like custard!! Turns out I was running map3 and the log showed 24psi which is more than a cossy!! Whipped off the head and found much like Wisp but worse debonding of the butyle rubber on the H.Gasket. Indeed mine had completely debonded and suspect this was already considerably underway before I raised the head off the block (with boost I mean!).
Head was in very good nick just standard indentation from flame rings which I believe occurs regardless over time, if it digs in around the hot exhaust side then yer thats overheating and annealing of the ALU.
I have a spare MLS which should work nicely and am sourcing an uprated bottom rail. so should be back on track by the weekend.

Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by benyeats » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:48 pm

[quote="benyeats"]
[quote="The JD"]

Indeed, Ben will have to up his game as I took my TURBO K-Series for its maiden voyage today and can say without any hesitation or doubt OMG (Oh My God!) Im running the tallest 5th gear and final drive available for the PG1 and the 160VVC trudged and ran out of puff before the rev limiter at 6500, but the Turbo just blows 5th away as if it was 3rd gear!!! Seriously its like needing to grab for 4th but theres no 6th.

........... ATOM 3 boys whatch out!......................

JD
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Funnily enough my engine is coming out in a few weeks for the 5 yearly winter clean up you have me thinking now.....

It is from a R75 right ?

Ben
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So what do you gain going for the turbo K-series, it seems to only have 150bhp in standard form

Ben

Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by benyeats » Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:56 am

[quote="The JD"]

Indeed, Ben will have to up his game as I took my TURBO K-Series for its maiden voyage today and can say without any hesitation or doubt OMG (Oh My God!) Im running the tallest 5th gear and final drive available for the PG1 and the 160VVC trudged and ran out of puff before the rev limiter at 6500, but the Turbo just blows 5th away as if it was 3rd gear!!! Seriously its like needing to grab for 4th but theres no 6th.

........... ATOM 3 boys whatch out!......................

JD
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Funnily enough my engine is coming out in a few weeks for the 5 yearly winter clean up you have me thinking now.....

It is from a R75 right ?

Ben

Re: Mk1 Technical / Upgrade Thread

by The JD » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:42 am

Big old debate that one Ben!
Bhp isnt the be all and end all, torque has a part to play, do you want to sacrifice all your grunt to scream the nuts off at 7.5k? Not forgetting Hot Cams need hot followers, namely the solid variety which require a day to shim! Having said that Im thinking of getting the VVC cams recut to give >10mm lift for a reasonable £200 (and of course hotter exh £80). Add on Dave's DIY solid followers only £60 and you'd have the best of all worlds... Am I on the right track? Or is there a VVC limitation beyound the lifters themselves..?

Conclusion to my engine crisis. The VVC-Inlet CAM "is" slipping on its drive flange!

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