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In pure marketing terms it makes sense to release the next powered car intime for FoS next year.....then maybe bring a crazy one the year after - or even 2 years later. As you say, keeps the interest and a reason for car shows and magazines to keep driving them !

T

Perhaps the "middle map" will come as a bit of a package including additional cooling etc, justifying a higher installation cost from Ariel?

I do think that there will eventually be 3 power levels, as per the current range as it really only be giving people what they want. Ariel sold enough 3.5R's to show that people will pay for power.

Obviously at the moment they have enough orders to not need to put a hurry on any of this but adding in extra power models along the lifespan of the car keeps getting it publicity from the Motoring Press.

Tis my 2p worth but I'd definitely be disappointed with less than 350 bhp, having had a 3.5, 310 for a few years.
Cheers,
Stu

I can understand the concern from people ordering the 4. But if I am honest I dont think there really will be 3 models. Like when the 3 came out there was NA and SC - but then there was the Mugen/V8 etc but not normal production models.

So the 320 standard car with a 400 or similar would be all they really need to have. The trouble is the guys love their cars down there and make off the cuff remarks about things which are great but also confuse i feel ! To have any real model distinction the power needs to be near 390-400 and then maybe change the spec slightly and be able to charge £8-10k more.

We will see though !

T

Phil,

I don't dissagree, but that does not align with this new snippet of info:

[i]"Ariel has confirmed to me that by the time customer deliveries begin in the spring,an even more powerful version that is the true replacement for the supercharged car will have been developed and that an even crazier iteration than that is in the pipeline, albeit at some distance removed"[/i]

Which clearly states there will be 3 models
[list]320 for order now[/list]
[list]even more powerful version ready in spring to replace the s/c car[/list]
[list]even crazier iteration some distance (time) later[/list]

My point is to not annoy buyers of the 320 model (me) I hope the 320 model does not need too much additional cost to get the extra power of the model coming out early next year.

I believe someone told me Ariel charged £300+VAT for the 300->310 remap from memory. So they could similarly offer a remap to as a costed upgrade to the 320 later. This would keep people to official maps. Owners heading to 3rd party tuners due to the restrictive "stock" 320 map does no one any favours. I'd rather that money went to Ariel.

[quote=Peter255 post_id=288892 time=1532964688 user_id=4581]I'll be peeved if a LOT of new components are need for more power due to the Atom packaging. It depends on the "headroom" with the Atom install. Hopefully the inlet, intercooler, exhaust etc is up to the task of a remap to 350 at least. The civic apparently is, fingers crossed.

350 is a nice number. I'll be happy with that! >:D

The 400R can have new i/c, larger turbo, injectors, different inlet, different zorst etc etc. :o
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I've nothing against Ariel doing whatever they like, so if this comes out a bit "anti-ariel" it's not intended as such.

While I agree with what you're saying, I'm not sure how this can work with creating a hierarchy. You can't really charge say 50K for a car, and then not expect almost everyone to tick the extra £1000 for the extra 40-50bhp. It was a different can of beans when adding 7K. You then had model differentiation, and adding the extra hardware helped with the price difference.

If I had to guess, and this is a guess only. There will only be two real models, when it comes to power. The new Atom 4 and the 3.5R replacement, lets call it a 400R.

I can't really see Ariel creating an extra step for almost no extra cost, and I hope they haven't either snookered themselves on the hardware, nor are going to charge many thousands for a remap.

I could be wrong on all counts :)

Other sites for the civic suggest ~40+BHP from just a remap without other changes.

I'll be peeved if a LOT of new components are need for more power due to the Atom packaging. It depends on the "headroom" with the Atom install. Hopefully the inlet, intercooler, exhaust etc is up to the task of a remap to 350 at least. The civic apparently is, fingers crossed.

350 is a nice number. I'll be happy with that! >:D

The 400R can have new i/c, larger turbo, injectors, different inlet, different zorst etc etc. :o

[quote=wasp post_id=288873 time=1532692678 user_id=1487]
Thanks for that, it's helpful :tu: :tu:

I signed up earlier in the year so will be looking at a Spring delivery but wouldn't want to take delivery before there is a bit of a power hike.

As I was going for a 3.5R, I really want 350ish bhp, or a tad more if they are able to unleash a few more ponies!

Cheers,
Stu
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I wonder if the power hike will be as simple as another map, and priced accordingly or whether it'll require new internals, cooling etc.

I guess where the current 4 already has coolers, it becomes a bit more interesting, and not so black and white like the 3.5-3.5R

Good info there on the 4.

Cheers :tu:

Thanks for that, it's helpful :tu: :tu:

I signed up earlier in the year so will be looking at a Spring delivery but wouldn't want to take delivery before there is a bit of a power hike.

As I was going for a 3.5R, I really want 350ish bhp, or a tad more if they are able to unleash a few more ponies!

Cheers,
Stu

Not that easy to scan but it says

"Ariel has confirmed to me that by the time customer deliveries begin in the spring,an even more powerful version that is the true replacement for the supercharged car will have been developed and that an even crazier iteration than that is in the pipeline, albeit at some distance removed"

Also read somewhere they'd taken 50 orders at FoS by Saturday afternoon

My Nomad won't be miles away, either (near Haslemere)

Cheers,
Hedge

[quote=travelbug63 post_id=288868 time=1532685932 user_id=5477]

Reading MotorSport magazine this month, it looks like they'll be bringing in a more powerful version as well early next year....Which is nice ;D
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Any chance you can scan in the article or give some details of the extra power please?

Cheers,
Stu

Look forward to catching up some time Trigger.

Reading MotorSport magazine this month, it looks like they'll be bringing in a more powerful version as well early next year....Which is nice ;D

Great decision - Atom 4 does look great - I had a sit in it and play around at the factory last Saturday and its definitely a nice evolution of the 3.

I am a Nomad owner (now after 3 Atoms) - based in Newdigate - so very near ! Always keen for a blast when u get it !

Trigger

Yes indeed the weather has been brilliant, although no fun if sat in traffic in the full sun!

Never owned a Tuscan, M3, R4, Elise yes but alas no Tuscan.