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I decided to go with the EVO X MR, Phantom Black!!! Really excited about it. Left a deposit for it yesterday at south coast mitsu, for only 500 over invoice, which is really good for a new release car as good as the Evo X. Looking forward to beating Calscot in his new IS-F!! 8)

[quote="CalScot"]
My Porsche has xenons, keyless entry, front and side impact airbags, etc. It gets about 28mpg on the fwy. Is perfectly comfortable under all conditions.
Of course it does not have all that fancy stuff that the Evo has. That means you would actully have to [i]drive[/i] it, as opposed to the Evo almost driving itself ;) Ever driven a recent model Evo? Amazing little things. Drive fast, chuck into the corners at silly speed and hang on. Of course switch off the computers and it will corner like your Prius with a flat tire :laugh:

There is something pure about a rear wheel drive Carrera with no computer involved. That's why I never got the Carrera 4. I like driving it on the edge, back end drifting just slightly on big fast sweeping corners. Nothing like it except tons more of it in a Carrera GT3 RS or the Atom of course. Seats 4 albeit at a push, turns into a classy convertible with great lines at the push of a button. A [u]much[/u] better chick magnet that any Evo. (we all keep a little bit of that in us, even though we are married and will never admit it)

The gearbox on mine was a bummer. Within warranty mileage at 28K, but 4 months over the expiration. The dealer gave me a deal on the trans as they almost admitted they had issues with this unit (made in Malaysia so they said) Excluding that, the car has cost nothing except scheduled maintenance, which overall has been way less than my last Benz.

Not trying to sell the Porsche in any way,  just defending a Porsche in general. Brilliant cars.

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I think Porsche build brilliant cars. My favorite supercar to date has always been the Carrera GT. The Enzo, Ford GT, Mclaren SLR, and everything else dont pale in comparison, IMO.
I would buy your Porsche in a heart beat if I was a little older, and felt comfortable driving one on a daily basis. I am still coming up in this world, so driving any Porsche would be a little akward. The same reason I dont just take my parents SLK roadster. I dont feel comfortable driving a luxury car at this point.
Also, the atom is my first experience with a real wheel drive car, so I am still learning all the aspects that involve driving that way. Driving the 996 dailiy would be quite similar experiences, as you have pointed out a few times. I dont want to drive that way with my daily driver, I need neutral handling. ;D
Yes the EVO X are great computer controlled AWD cars, it would be great to own one and just experience that. I have never experienced a AWD, DSG, turbo setup, so as anything in life, I always like to try different things. I have rear wheel drive manual in my atom, I have got slow front wheel drive CVT in my Prius(and in my sold 96 accord I used to have), so an AWD, DSG EVO would complete my garage ;D.

Fiesty

[quote="CalScot"]
My Porsche has xenons, keyless entry, front and side impact airbags, etc. It gets about 28mpg on the fwy. Is perfectly comfortable under all conditions.
Of course it does not have all that fancy stuff that the Evo has. That means you would actully have to [i]drive[/i] it, as opposed to the Evo almost driving itself ;) Ever driven a recent model Evo? Amazing little things. Drive fast, chuck into the corners at silly speed and hang on. Of course switch off the computers and it will corner like your Prius with a flat tire :laugh:

There is something pure about a rear wheel drive Carrera with no computer involved. That's why I never got the Carrera 4. I like driving it on the edge, back end drifting just slightly on big fast sweeping corners. Nothing like it except tons more of it in a Carrera GT3 RS or the Atom of course. Seats 4 albeit at a push, turns into a classy convertible with great lines at the push of a button. A [u]much[/u] better chick magnet that any Evo. (we all keep a little bit of that in us, even though we are married and will never admit it)

The gearbox on mine was a bummer. Within warranty mileage at 28K, but 4 months over the expiration. The dealer gave me a deal on the trans as they almost admitted they had issues with this unit (made in Malaysia so they said) Excluding that, the car has cost nothing except scheduled maintenance, which overall has been way less than my last Benz.

Not trying to sell the Porsche in any way,  just defending a Porsche in general. Brilliant cars.


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Funny you mention the GT3 RS. I met up tonight with a great bunch of Porsche enthusiasts, and one guy came in a brand new bright green GT3RS....what a beauty. I took the Atom and all the Porsche guys really loved it.
Driving home I almost got blown right off the road. It was so windy at one point I couldn't even move my head...pretty scary.
Cheersâ?¢

My Porsche has xenons, keyless entry, front and side impact airbags, etc. It gets about 28mpg on the fwy. Is perfectly comfortable under all conditions.
Of course it does not have all that fancy stuff that the Evo has. That means you would actully have to [i]drive[/i] it, as opposed to the Evo almost driving itself ;) Ever driven a recent model Evo? Amazing little things. Drive fast, chuck into the corners at silly speed and hang on. Of course switch off the computers and it will corner like your Prius with a flat tire :laugh:

There is something pure about a rear wheel drive Carrera with no computer involved. That's why I never got the Carrera 4. I like driving it on the edge, back end drifting just slightly on big fast sweeping corners. Nothing like it except tons more of it in a Carrera GT3 RS or the Atom of course. Seats 4 albeit at a push, turns into a classy convertible with great lines at the push of a button. A [u]much[/u] better chick magnet that any Evo. (we all keep a little bit of that in us, even though we are married and will never admit it)

The gearbox on mine was a bummer. Within warranty mileage at 28K, but 4 months over the expiration. The dealer gave me a deal on the trans as they almost admitted they had issues with this unit (made in Malaysia so they said) Excluding that, the car has cost nothing except scheduled maintenance, which overall has been way less than my last Benz.

Not trying to sell the Porsche in any way,  just defending a Porsche in general. Brilliant cars.

[quote="benyeats"]
But its already had a new gearbox so won't be needing another.  Porsches are fairly bullet proof car I say go for it you only live once

Ben
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I agree Ben, I am not worried too much about reliability, although if it did break I probably wouldnt be able to justify that big of an expense to fix it.
But besides that the EVO X MR has all the features that my Prius currently has like navi, xenons, keyless entry, bluetooth, 6 airbags, etc., so it would be a step backwards for me in terms of creature comforts in my daily driver which I have gotten used to and need. Plus the MR has new technologies like a DSG, turbo 4-cyl., and AWD, all things I have never bought in a car before. Of course your an F1 guy *wink, wink*, like myself, so you can understand my fascination with new technologies.
Of course all of this is kinda pointless because I am still not sure as to when the MR version will come out. Mitsu has only told me summer, but I dont know specifically when that is. Anyone have any idea?

[quote="John H"]
buy the mitsi and the nissan
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Only if money grew from trees :D :D

Fiesty

[quote="fiestycolumbian"]
[quote="CalScot"]
I wil sell you my 996 convertible for close to the Elise price. It's faster, plus you can put the roof down and pose :) Plus it does about 175 :o
And yeah, its been driven hard, but it's well loved and cared for and dealer serviced. Brand new factory gearbox and clutch from Newport Porsche. Better the devil you know!
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I would love to buy your 996, and I dont mind the hard miles, but I fear the maintenance on it. I know how much that gearbox cost, and I definitely cant afford that.  :-\

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But its already had a new gearbox so won't be needing another.  Porsches are fairly bullet proof car I say go for it you only live once

Ben

buy the mitsi and the nissan.................I am seriously considering it as I cant decide between em. Got my first atom coming next week, so it may all prove pointless as they are banished to the category of "also rans" by that weird little car with no bits, and I may stick with my nissan micra 1.0 (38bhp) instead

[quote="FAST BUCK"]
I've just left a depoist for the new GTR, getting it next May ;D, it's supposed to be the bees knees, and with 4 seats!
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Congrats, hope you can wait that long!! I wish I could get it :'(

[quote="Bruce Fielding"]
Get the 'sensible' four seater - the X.

Rationale is that you already have a fast two seater impractical car (if you still have your Atom), so get something complementary rather than something similar which you won't drive as much.

If you don't have the Atom, get the Porsche not the Lotus, as the Elise is too easy to compare to the Atom (probably unfavourably)
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Great advice. Although my heart tells me Lotus, the atom is too similar, so a 4-door, awd, DSG setup that the X has, is vastly different and driveable on a daily basis. The problem is, Mitsu says summer for the MR, and I dont know if I can wait that long  :-\. My brother is begging for a car!! Haha, kids, always wanting things now!

[quote="Karl"]
The Evo and the Elise are two of the top 5 most expensive cars to insure in the USA, be prepared for this!
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Havent had an accident in the 10 years that I have been driving, have a completely clean record, so I dont think for me at least it will to be that much more to insure. Maybe I am wrong, we shall see. Having fun is more important than a few extra bucks on insurance though, so its a non-issue for me. I have been driving a Prius for almost 4 years now, and I am bloody sick of it!! Way too slow, especially when I got the atom. Time to give the beginner a slow car, and put me in a fast new one!! ;D ;D

Fiesty

I've just left a depoist for the new GTR, getting it next May ;D, it's supposed to be the bees knees, and with 4 seats!

And good taste in scotch, too, eh Bruce? (AtomFest knowledge). :tu:

[quote="Bruce Fielding"]
Get the 'sensible' four seater - the X.

Rationale is that you already have a fast two seater impractical car (if you still have your Atom), so get something complementary rather than something similar which you won't drive as much.

If you don't have the Atom, get the Porsche not the Lotus, as the Elise is too easy to compare to the Atom (probably unfavourably)
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Like so many people have said so many times, I hate to agree with Bruce! :laugh:  But what he says here makes perfect sense and is pretty much what I was thinking.  Smart guy, that Bruce.

Get the 'sensible' four seater - the X.

Rationale is that you already have a fast two seater impractical car (if you still have your Atom), so get something complementary rather than something similar which you won't drive as much.

If you don't have the Atom, get the Porsche not the Lotus, as the Elise is too easy to compare to the Atom (probably unfavourably)

The Evo and the Elise are two of the top 5 most expensive cars to insure in the USA, be prepared for this!

[quote="CalScot"]
I wil sell you my 996 convertible for close to the Elise price. It's faster, plus you can put the roof down and pose :) Plus it does about 175 :o
And yeah, its been driven hard, but it's well loved and cared for and dealer serviced. Brand new factory gearbox and clutch from Newport Porsche. Better the devil you know!
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I would love to buy your 996, and I dont mind the hard miles, but I fear the maintenance on it. I know how much that gearbox cost, and I definitely cant afford that.  :-\

[b]As much as I love the GT-R, it is way out of my price range, so thats kinda out.[/b]

Down to an Elise or a new Evo X MR. It all depends the status of the used 05 Elises out there and if the options, price, color, and health of the car match what I am looking for. And I am one picky dude ;D, so it could take a while.
I am really torn between a manual, and a dual clutch auto, both have their pros and cons, and as a daily driver, the Evo makes more sense.
The Evo has all the cool options and 5 seats, whereas the Elise is a barebones car that is half the weight. I am back to square one again. I guess if I find an Elise that meets my criteria, I will go for that, otherwise I will get an Evo X MR when it comes out in summer.

Fiesty

If you can afford it, go with the GT-R.  If money is a concern, go with a slightly used Elise/Exige (though I'd choose an Exige) and take advantage of their immense depreciation curve.

I wish I had the scratch for an Exige :drool: