Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

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Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by McFred » Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:20 pm

No ECU hardware issues here other than an issue with the O2 sensor plug in the Brammo harness not being the proper one.  I spliced in a bona fide Honda O2 plug and not an issue since, other than not enough power. ;)

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by fiestycolumbian » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:49 pm

I will let Hondata diagnose/analyze the processor/Main board before I comment further.
Something is loose inside the 1" tall by 2" long thin processor, so it may not be able to be re-soldered to the chip or board. Anyone who has a Hondata ECU can easily find what I am talking about by looking at their own ECU main board.

Have any Hondata powered Honda atoms have had ECU issues, UK or US?

fiesty

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by Bruce Fielding » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:14 pm

[quote="benyeats"]
p.s. to show I am not prejudice against Americans I agree that it should be spelt Aluminum.
[/quote]

...see Ar Kan Sas for further evidence

Not that we're any better over here

Oh, and I know Aluminium should be spelled and pronounced correctly without the 'i'... but where would the fun be in that?

And do you pronounce pronounce with a nun or a noun in the middle?

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by benyeats » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:56 pm

[quote="DarthChicken"]
No it's solder here as well. 
[/quote]

Gosh.  Everyday's a schoolday, I assumed the reason you colonials pronounced it funny (cf Max's post) was that you spelt it funny.  Perhaps for another thread but anyone know the reasons behind the pronounciation ?

Ben

p.s. to show I am not prejudice against Americans I agree that it should be spelt Aluminum.

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by Heywood-Yablowme » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:42 pm

But pronounced..sodder. Go figure... :P

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by silver » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:38 pm

[quote="DarthChicken"]
No it's solder here as well. 
[/quote]

yes it's solder in American AND English  :D

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by DarthChicken » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:16 pm

No it's solder here as well. 

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by benyeats » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:03 pm

[quote="fiestycolumbian"]

It turns out the main board on the Hondata ECU is broken. The processor sticks up about 1 inch and looks like there is something loose inside it. When I move the processor, ever so slightly, the engine cuts in an out. Everytime I would hit a bump or a take a corner the processor would move and the engine would cut out.

[/quote]

What do you mean by the processor ?  All the symptoms match a dry solder (soder as I think it is wrongly called in your country ;) ) so should be easily repariable.

Ben

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by silver » Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:20 pm

WOWOW no one saw that coming  :doh:

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by fiestycolumbian » Fri Apr 09, 2010 2:08 pm

sorry, have been swamped!

It turns out the main board on the Hondata ECU is broken. The processor sticks up about 1 inch and looks like there is something loose inside it. When I move the processor, ever so slightly, the engine cuts in an out. Everytime I would hit a bump or a take a corner the processor would move and the engine would cut out.

A bit frustrating as something like this rarely happens. And the Hondata ECU is not cheap  :doh:

Have sent in the ECU to Hondata headquarters in Torrance, CA. Hopefully know more early next week.

fiesty

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by silver » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:51 pm

update?  helllllooooooooooooooooooo

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by silver » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:58 pm

[quote="fiestycolumbian"]
From my understanding, the fuel gasket issue/pump issue is something that happens over time, not instantly like my situation. Correct me if I am wrong about this. From a quick inspection, the gasket seemed fine and the tank very clean.

I disconnected the fuel lines from the fuel pump to the fuel filter, and fuel was flowing pretty quickly into a bucket as soon as I waved the wand. I did the same process all the way to the fuel rail and injectors, proper fuel flow. The fuel coming out was very clean. I havent measured with a fuel pressure guage, I will do this to confirm.

I can smell fuel coming out of the exhaust when the engine is trying to crank.

And, the battery seems okay with proper voltage.

It may be a problem with the MAP or throttle body wiring harness? I will try to splice the wires and hope to find a short somewhere.

Never thought about a bad tank of fuel. Does that really happen?

Also for some reason, the Hondata ECU is not registering any fault codes. If I am able to start the engine again, I will try to log the data.

fiesty
[/quote]

yes my fuel went bad,

my symptoms were it would barely start, it would idle fine but if you hit the accelerator it would stumble and die.  If you let it warm up for a minute or 2 it would choke and cough when you hit the accelerator but it would stay alive.

it would be easy enough to drain your tank with a siphon then refill it with new gas.

on the fuel tank gaskets you should have seen a time period where acceleration began to stumble as an indication that the fuel pump socks were getting clogged..however if you sucked up a big chunk of black goo then perhaps it's totally clogged.

did you remove the fuel filler neck to inspect the gasket fully, if you did not then you MUST remove the neck to know for sure.  If your gasket is still all there then  that's not the problem, the filler neck is the one that fails b/c the tank's hole is larger than the gasket therefore it droops into the fuel and deteriorates.

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by fiestycolumbian » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:15 am

From my understanding, the fuel gasket issue/pump issue is something that happens over time, not instantly like my situation. Correct me if I am wrong about this. From a quick inspection, the gasket seemed fine and the tank very clean.

I disconnected the fuel lines from the fuel pump to the fuel filter, and fuel was flowing pretty quickly into a bucket as soon as I waved the wand. I did the same process all the way to the fuel rail and injectors, proper fuel flow. The fuel coming out was very clean. I havent measured with a fuel pressure guage, I will do this to confirm.

I can smell fuel coming out of the exhaust when the engine is trying to crank.

And, the battery seems okay with proper voltage.

It may be a problem with the MAP or throttle body wiring harness? I will try to splice the wires and hope to find a short somewhere.

Never thought about a bad tank of fuel. Does that really happen?

Also for some reason, the Hondata ECU is not registering any fault codes. If I am able to start the engine again, I will try to log the data.

fiesty

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by McFred » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:53 am

[quote="fiestycolumbian"]
When the car sits for a while, the engine starts, but as soon as I hit the throttle, it dies. And then the engine cannot start anymore.
[/quote]

Log this process, send me the file, and I can take a look at it.

Re: Engine cutting in/out, car not starting

by positron » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:47 am

Fuel pressure gauge > inducing hydrocarbons into ones lungs.

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