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Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by Wmcmanus » Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:23 pm

[quote="Spanky"]
I am electronicly impaired. [/quote]

I believe the term is 'mechanically declined'.  Me too!

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by bolus » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:35 pm

there is a jumper on the back that needs to be removed I believe, otherwise it draws power from the OBD port.  It should be in the directions

This may help:
http://cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.p ... nterceptor
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthre ... nterceptor

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by Kempo » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:41 pm

I don't know what that terminal on the fuse box is for(don't have the car with me at the moment). But it looks to me you have connected it to a battery direct power source on the fuse box. That is why it turns on even if the ignition switch is off. You need to connect it to a circuit that is controlled by the ignition switch.



Hope this helps,

Hugo

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by rfmarz@frontiernet » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:37 pm

I don't quite understand. ???

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by Kempo » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:42 pm

Regardless of pressure it is not  a good idea to use the fan to push the air down instead of pulling air up from the bottom of the car. If you use the fan to push the air down you would be heating the H/E radiator instead of cooling it. The air you would be pushing down has just gone trough the engine coolant radiator and will be hotter that the ambient temperature so it will be like trying to cool it with a hair dryer blower.

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by rfmarz@frontiernet » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:11 pm

Along those lines, if we had a small air dam in front of the air intake, it would create a vacuum and help the fan blowing down.

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by McFred » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:09 pm

[quote="forcesevens"]
I hear the bottom of cars have higher pressure.[/quote]

Higher than what?  It's lower than ambient when the car is moving through the air.  When fluid has to speed up to go around something (because it's incompressible) its pressure drops (conservation of energy, aka Bernoulli's principal).  This is what causes helmet lift, the need for airports, etc.  So when air has to speed up to get around a car body, its pressure drops on all sides of the car and the pressure drop is often biased to generate downforce by designing the shape of the underside of the car, front lip, etc. to produce a lower pressure below the car than above.  You do not necessarily need a "wing" to get downforce.  Anyway, whether or not the pressure "under" the front section of an atom is higher or lower than just behind the front radiator is not an easy armchair calculation imo.  The pressure behind the radiator is certainly lower than in front, but how the limited body paneling at that section factors in would be difficult to say.  I'd guess that it doesn't really matter much which way the fan points, but it's easy enough to just go out and observe the natural direction of flow and point the fan the same way.  If there's too much turbulence to use the string/ribbon method, you could maybe see if the fan will windmill and use that to see which direction the flow prefers.  Another thing to consider, is whether running the fan the "right" way means running it opposite to the rotation direction the fan blades were designed for.  That might hurt the fan efficiency more than you'd gain from going with the natural flow.  Just thinking out loud, but I guess the answer for now is water injection  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli%27s_principle

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by rfmarz@frontiernet » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:24 pm

McFred brings up an interesting point. If there is any kind of skirting in the front, the pressure under the car is lower. I wonder where the pressure is actually lower. THAT would be the correct direction for the air to flow towards.

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by bolus » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:51 am

farther into that fan thread Terry mentions a small little tool that is needed to make it easy to remove the wires.  they have a little nub that locks them into place.  So make sure the wires are snug once you put them back because it can get bent. 

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by forcesevens » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:48 am

[quote="bolus"]
fan fix,  just a wire switch
http://forum.atomclub.com/index.php/top ... l#msg81364

The laminova tubes are in the intake manifold.  So that would be a big project
http://forum.atomclub.com/index.php/top ... #msg140037
[/quote]
Sweet thanks bolus!!!
I almost had to cut wires and solder... this method was so much faster.
The wires took a big of scary tugging.

The airflow going up makes some much more sense.  I hear the bottom of
cars have higher pressure.

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by bolus » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:53 pm

fan fix,  just a wire switch
http://forum.atomclub.com/index.php/top ... l#msg81364

The laminova tubes are in the intake manifold.  So that would be a big project
http://forum.atomclub.com/index.php/top ... #msg140037

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by McFred » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:33 pm

[quote="forcesevens"]
Well my fan pushed air downward :([/quote]

Which direction does the air want to go naturally?  Is the pressure behind the main radiator lower than "under" the car?  What if you disconnect the fan, tie/tape some ribbons to the back of the radiator in a few places and head out on the highway.  Have a passenger see what the ribbons do, or maybe get someone to "chase" in another car to observe the ribbons.

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by forcesevens » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:49 pm

[quote="bolus"]
It looks like the gauge will show ignition advance.  I dont have a way to test it without my engine in my car though :)  you could try looking at that one on the gauge. 

The heat issues are from these issues

1. Fan running the wrong direction on the aftercooler radiator.  make sure the fan pulls air upward through the radiator
2. Small radiator - no easy fix
3. Laminova tubes in the intake manifold may be in the wrong direction (they were in my car)
4. intercooler is very susceptible to air in the system.  make sure you at least have enough coolant in the intercooler system

as discussed in other threads, water injection is the best fix for now
[/quote]
Well my fan pushed air downward :(
I'm going to reverse the connection to the fan tonight.  I hope it's a DC motor that can handle that.
Wheres the laminova tubes... I'll go poke around.

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by bolus » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:21 pm

I never looked at boost on the track so Im not sure

Re: Bottoz' Atom Mods, Step #1

by silver » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:16 pm

bolus....not sure if you caught that but force got 18.5 pounds of boost with the 245hp pulley...WTF..I thought the 300 pulley only got 16.5 lbs of boost...

can you comment from your history what boost was normal on the 300 pulley?

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